“If you get it right for the offender, you get it right for the victim,” says Juliet Lyon CBE, Director of the Prison Reform Trust in this latest Fabian Society podcast from the Conservative Party Conference.

Also debating the need for penal reform in this Conference fringe podcast are Crispin Blunt MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice, Dr Mary Harris, Director of the Young Offenders Programme led by National Grid, and was chaired Neil O’Brien Director at Policy Exchange.  

Listen to the podcast below: